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8 months ago: SAN FRANCISCO, CA - SEPTEMBER 11: Jeff Keppinger #8 of the San Francisco Giants hits a two RBI double in the bottom of the sixth inning giving the San Francisco Giants a 5-1 lead over the Los Angeles Dodgers at AT&T Park on September 11, 2011 in San Francisco, California. (Photo by Tony Medina/Getty Images)
We reported last Tuesday that the Tampa Bay Rays were interested in Jeff Keppinger, and well, what do you know? Marc Topkin from the Tampa Bay Times is now reporting that the Rays are close to signing Keppinger, and that a deal could be announced later this week.
I was initially ambivalent about Keppinger, but the more I'm looking into this move, the more I like it. Keppinger is another bench bat, plain and simple. As such, he's competing against the following players for the three non-catcher bench spots on the Rays' roster:
Sam Fuld
Brandon Guyer
Elliot Johnson
Reid Brignac
Russ Canzler
We can eliminate Brandon Guyer from the list pretty easily. While I love him and I think he's a better offensive player right now than Sam Fuld, the Rays don't rush prospects. Despite his advanced age, Guyer will start the season in Triple-A and stay there until they think he's finally ready to hit the majors for good. This may seem extreme -- he did crush Triple-A last season over 440 plate appearances -- but Guyer has an important future with the Rays: he's expected to slide into the outfield in 2013 once B.J. Upton leaves via free agency. If the Rays halt his development by making him a bench player this season, what happens then?
So with Fuld on the team and Guyer in Triple-A, that leaves four players -- Keppinger, Johnson, Brignac, and Canzler -- for two bench spots. Canzler doesn't have much positional flexibility and the reports suggest his defense is poor, so he seems like an unlikely candidate with Carlos Pena and Luke Scott now in house.
And honestly? Out of Keppinger, Brignac, and Johnson, Kepp is the best player. His defense may be mediocre to poor, but he makes up for it with his bat. He has a good walk rate, doesn't strike out much, and he posted a .295 wOBA last season while struggling through two separate injuries (foot and wrist). That was a down year for Keppinger, too; he is projected to post around a .318 wOBA, and he posted a .332 wOBA in 2010.
While that may not sound like much, it's worth remembering how much Briggy and EJ both stunk at the plate last season. They were black holes; Johnson looked like the powerhouse of the two, and even he only had a .252 wOBA. Both of them would be lucky to post higher than a .295 wOBA, while that is essentially Keppinger's worst case scenario.
Also, as has been noted by many of you guys, Keppinger is a right-handed hitter who mashes lefties. He has a fantastic career line against lefties (.368 wOBA), while his line against righties is much less thrilling (.298 wOBA). Considering the Rays have recently signed a number of hitters with issues against left-handed pitching, doesn't it make sense to have a bench player that's good against them?
Remember when Friedman said this a few weeks ago?
"We obviously value defense a lot, but there's times where enough offense trips that line and makes it something that makes sense for the team."
At the time, I thought he was talking about a slugging first baseman, but the quote perfectly fits this situation. Keppinger has primarily played second base in recent years, and he looks like he's a poor fielder there (around -5 runs). But at the same time, his offense is considerably better than the Rays would receive from Briggy or EJ, and he's a good fit with their current roster construction. He can always play in the middle infield, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Rays tried him out at first base on occasion.
This is a bit of an atypical move for the Rays, as they're adding a bench player that isn't a defensive specialist. But considering everything else that Kepp brings to the table, I'm okay with it.
UPDATE: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reports the deal is done pending a physical.
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so how much would you pay to have keppinger on your team?
i dont go over 1.7 million
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Not much.
I can’t believe it is taking more than a minor league deal to get this guy.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
i think he is worth more than a minor league deal
just because of the performance that he put up in houston…at a point in time he was a TYPE A free agent and would have cost a draft pick…now he is almost human garbage.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
human garbage?
Hatfield - January 25, 2012
ok
maybe not garbage…but he is going from Type A to people thinking a minor league deal or split contract…its a big drop.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Oh definitely. I agree.
Hatfield - January 25, 2012
Elliot Johnson>Keppinger, but Keppinger makes more sense with Brignac on the team.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Disagree on this.
I don’t see how in the world Johnson is better than Keppinger. Unless you’re really high on Johnson’s defense after his sss performance last year.
I tend to think Johnson is a good defender, but Kepp’s overall package still looks more valuable to me.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
how much more valuable?
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Helliot's pretty much replacement level
I think Keppinger’s a 1 win player and a better fit too.
Barnacles - January 25, 2012
Helliot, on a down offensive year, posted a .5 WAR in 70 games last year.
I don’t see how that is replacement level.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
I think the measurement of his offense is closer to his true talent than his defensive measurements
The UZR samples aren’t reliable that small and Johnson played 2b almost exclusively in the minors until a few years ago. I doubt he’s really a better defender than Brignac
Barnacles - January 25, 2012
I doubt that also.
However, he was supposed to be a good defender when he was in the minors, so……
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
how can you say he had a down offensive year when he hasn't had any other time in the majors?
he was awful
pudieron89 - January 26, 2012
Johnson is good defensively at SS.
Plus, Johnson should hit a little better next year given his low BABIP. And Johnson can also do some stuff on the bases.
It is close, but I like Johnson more.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
But Kepp doesn't need to be able to play SS.
And you really think Johnson’s problems were BABIP related? I have a Dan Johnson over here I can sell you…
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
I'm not saying Johnson's issues were only BABIP related. His BABIP did hurt him though.
And we are arguing who is the better player, so playing SS does matter.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Keppinger plays defense like his legs are made of wood
i cant even imagine him trying to play SS. he might do well at 1B though in a pinch
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Eh, not necessarily. You're constructing a bench, so you're not just going to take 4 OFers even if they're all the best players available.
The Rays have S-Rod for short, and they can always use that final bench spot for one of EJ/Briggy. So you’re bumping one of them off, while adding a player that’s A) better than the player they’re replacing, and B) complements the existing roster better.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
I said, "Keppinger makes more sense with Brignac on the team."
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Ahh yes, true...I'm down with that.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
Platoon @ 2B/SS/RF
V. LHP Kep/SRod/Benzo
v. RHP Benzo/Brigs/Joyce
ttnorm - January 25, 2012
Also worth remembering, Maddon likes his bench guys to be able to do the little things.
Johnson can’t bunt and he strikes out 30% of the time. His only redeeming offensive trait was that he has some pop, and he hits lefties a tad better (.293 wOBA last year). Kepp’s a better bench bat, better against lefties, and he rarely strikes out.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
And Johnson was supposed to be an excellent bunter in AAA.
I’m not writing him off on a SSS. And why do the strikeouts matter?
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
there are few things more disheartening than a pinch hitter getting 1 PA and striking out
its just depressing.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Well isn't that charming.....
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
just saying keppinger can take a walk
and hit singles…walks and singles against lefties…it is what it is.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Say if you had two players with the same overall offensive ability (.300 wOBA), but one had lots of Ks and one was a contact hitter. Who do you choose?
In the end, it depends on your roster and what you’re looking for from that spot. But considering the Rays have lots of strikeout guys and they love to hit-and-run, Kepp seems to fit.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
it was just one guys opinion bit while covering preggame duties last year
The bulls radio and now rays pregame guy said EJ was the best “little things” player he’d seen including bunting and he was shocked at his.struggles last year, I don’t think u forget how to do those things so maybe sth else was going on who knows but I dont think the little things will ever keep ej from a job, his problem will always be his weak bat
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
#LittleThings
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
outside of SF he has been in great hitters parks
His offense will most likely take a decent sized drop and not be good enough to warrent his.glove over EJ for me, I’d rather have Guyer than either tho
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
But the question isn't Keppinger or Guyer.
It’s Guyer/Fuld.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
i thought Guyer wa AAA bound
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
He will be.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
with zobrist and to a lesser extent sean being able to play both IF and OF
Whether that last bench spot goes to an IF or OF doesnt really matter and I can’t see us going with Joyce and Zoby being the only LH options in the OF so IMO Fuld is pretty much a lock
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
If Fuld is a lock, there's a 0.01% chance that Guyer gets on the roster too.
With five outfielder on the roster, Guyer would almost never see playing time…what’s the point?
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
guyer in RF vs lhp, zoby 2b
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
pretty much same as kepp at 2b and zoby rf
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
except defense takes a hit with Kepp at 2B
Sticky Bandit - January 25, 2012 via mobile
What is the comparison in WAR between keeping Upton with Jennings in left and Jennings in CF with Guyer in LF this season?
…and assume that the Rays would move Upton to at least acquire the most likely the only position left now….a mostly full time catcher(with Molina backing up).
budman3 - January 25, 2012
I'm writing the player comments over THT, and I had said this about Guyer.
My how things have changed.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
I really think a trade is in the works
the Rays have so much pitching depth and this offseason has seen quite a return for pitching that it seems like a sellers market. I see no reason to have 7-8 MLB ready pitchers and not make a move to either add an impact bat or to add some more prospects to an already deep system.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
+1--I think Kepp's been signed since he tweeted about the rays
but the rays are holding off on the announcement because it coincides with a tradde they’ll announce shortly
sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
Makes sense so that they don't have to DFA another guy
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
here is a thought
Upton for Alex Meyer and Destin Hood…
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
No.
That would be utterly retarded.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
why would that be so retarded
toolsy outfielder under control and a high upside pitcher with two above average pitches.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
And the pitcher has a 20 grade command.
And that would trade away Upton in a “all in year.” I can’t stress the horribleness of the trade.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
"all in year"
if adding keppinger and luke scott means all in i think there is a difference in opinion on what it means to be all in.
also i dont think meyer is a 20 in command, he is a tall pitcher and they take longer to develop, plus if any team could squeeze out every ounce of talent its the Rays..Meyer could be dominant growing up in this farm…Maybe Hood is a bit more risky, but Goodwin might be on the table.
Upton will walk at the end of the year and the best you can get is two draft picks and meyer and goodwin/hood are worth more than those picks i would say.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
"All in" has been thrown around so often that it's nauseating. How is the team going "all in"?
They haven’t traded any prospects for a “now” player. They haven’t reached on a signing. These have been mostly under the radar value-type moves. I’m with you, James
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I don't think this team ever does "all in"
Whelk - January 25, 2012
2010 is as close as it got
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Chad Qualls!
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
Draft pick!
Whelk - January 25, 2012
the good old days
when chad qualls got you a draft pick…haha
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Take it in context.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
This is a contending year, then.
And a contending team doesn’t trade away talent that would improve their team
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
This.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Trying to pigeonhole the Rays into a binary, cliched mold does a disservice to the tireless work of this entire front office
They’re always looking for marginally better talent if it costs nothing in farm depth. Guyer and Brignac have two and one options, respectively. They’re being very risk-averse by stockpiling as many guys as they can and I think it’s a smart move. Most of these pieces are relatively interchangeable. In the event that it’s not working out for an option then it’s next man up. I don’t see a downside other than it costs, maybe, a couple of million. It’s funny that people bitch about the Rays not spending money, then when they do on a depth move people complain that they’re not getting value or that poor Elliot Johnson might have to go through waivers again.
The Yankees and the Red Sox wish they had depth like this, both on the bench or in AAA. With older players nearly everywhere on the diamond you’d think they’d be the one’s making this move.
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
My comment is related to people saying we're going to trade Upton, not to Guyer/Brigs
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Same here.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Ok that makes more sense, just had some strong emotions on some concepts and wanted to get them all out in one place
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I think you're right.
The Rays have abandoned the concept of buyer/seller in favor of a holistic better/worse model that encompasses several years. Something that makes them better is always a good move, something that makes them worse, always a bad one.
I think if the right package for Upton was offered tomorrow, they would take it without a second thought, as long as the math worked out.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
You make Fried sound like a damned hippie
and there are no Hebrew hippies (to the best of my knowledge)
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
Yea he sounded like Dharma's parents
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
The two jewish friends in harold and kumar were pretty hippie-ish
BossmanJunior333 - January 25, 2012 via mobile
(they aren't real)
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
I need to introduce you to my in-laws then.
Jewish and hippies….and baseball fans. Rays season ticket holders in fact.
Oh and annoying. Very annoying.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
What synogauge do they go to?
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
Not sure if he's a hippy.
But Scott Barancik of www.jewishbaseballnews.com is fantastic to talk to (which in my mind makes him into a lefty of some sort).
Whelk - January 25, 2012
I know Scott
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
/alljewsknoweachother'd
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Nicest guy I've talked to on the phone in an interview.
Smart, too. Love to meet him for real some day.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
Knowing Scott Personally
He is a great guy, and a good softball player…a former hippy, who had to grow up and have a kid
Moorewinsplease - January 25, 2012
ho hippies have kids
rglass44 - January 26, 2012
My father-in-law is actually a rabbi.
Congregation Ohr Hadash.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
Messianic?
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
No, he said they were Jews
Top Gun Numba 1 - January 25, 2012
TOPPAHHHHHHHHHHH
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
The Messianic Jew Alarm went off in my lonely lonely cave
Top Gun Numba 1 - January 25, 2012
Its never lonely when your sofa is around
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
C'est vrai
Top Gun Numba 1 - January 25, 2012
epaulettes
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
Fashionable and demonstrative of office
Top Gun Numba 1 - January 25, 2012
And to think all it took was an Ohr Hadash mention to bring the bear out of hibernation
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
If you're gonna be a bear, might as well be a grizzly
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Mazeltov
joaker5 - January 26, 2012
Yes.
My wife’s family are Messianic Jews and her Dad leads a congregation.
John Gregg - January 26, 2012
There are plenty.
My girlfriend works for the Jewish Daily Forward, and half their writer staff went to Wesleyan.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
stat geek has imaginary jewish girlfriend, news at 11
pudieron89 - January 26, 2012
Whoa, go to any youth convention
Birkenstock fever
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
No, I don't think Meyer and Hood are worth a year of Upton in 2012 and two draft picks.
And I saw Meyer several times. He seriously has 20-25 command. and Hood is only a B- prospect.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Rendon as PBTNL - would you?
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
Yes.
In a heartbeat.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Oh wait, Rendon alone?
I would still do it if they threw in a C+ prospect.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
I would do Rendon alone
Even if his shoulder is messed he’d be an above average 1B
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Rendon is going to be great.
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
they wont trade him though.
i would rather trade upton, move jennings to CF collect some high upside prospects because the 2013 draft is going to be way more shallow than last years draft and the new collective bargaining agreement wouldnt really help the Rays out with the more picks they have…I know that the more picks the more money, but i dont think it is proportional is it? maybe Meyer and Hood arent enough but i could see something like Meyer and Goodwin with a lesser prospect thrown in, maybe Marrero.
James Westfall - January 26, 2012
lol
Hatfield - January 25, 2012
It's questionable how much value we'd get in return for Niemann/Davis, the two we're most likely to trade
If we were to offer up Hellickson, then things would be very different, we probably could get something comparable to the Gio Gonzalez/Michael Pineda hauls. But for Davis/Niemann, I don’t know what we’d get
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
i wonder if something like this would work
Upton and Niemann for Meyer, Hood, Marerro and Ray…
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
This is exactly my thinking for quite a while now ever since all the hysteria for trading for a cost-controlled pitcher died down
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
Start with Hundley and add a decent prospect or two.
budman3 - January 25, 2012
not a sellers market
that’s wishful thinking. There are still FA pitchers out there that are just as good or better than Davis (I’m looking at you E-Jax). Teams don’t have a ton of interest in giving up players when they can get the same or better play in free agency. If davis had performed better it would be a different story, but he really hurt his prospect status last year, so now instead of a Gio Gonzalez type deal, we get no deal at all.
joaker5 - January 26, 2012
Keppinger deleted his Twitter account
The account @Jeffkeppinger where we originally got wind that Keppinger was talking to the Rays is no longer in existence.
I wonder if we got him in trouble. Hehe.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
do you really think
Rays FO people read these threads? ( not trying to be a dick just seriously wondering)
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
I have no idea.
But the account was there last week and we do a story based off of something he tweeted (although it was actually his friends running the account?) and now it’s gone. It seems like a logical conclusion that either the Rays told him to shut it down because his friends were running it or he decided on his own to do it .
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
fair enough
i think it would be cool if the FO skimmed through some of the content here because most people who post here are thoughtful and logical..
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
The threads? Not necessarily.
The articles? Yeah, I can confirm that they do.
Steve Slowinski - January 25, 2012
then that is cool
i wouldnt mind my job being the guy who has to read all team related blogs.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Friedman was a big fan of the ottotds
Warde - January 25, 2012
rec'd
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
Also about the deleted account.
I asked his friend @MattBankston to help me verify the account and he said:"
“I think some effort has been made to verify, but I don’t know how that works, and Jeff really doesn’t care himself. It’s just for some buzz.”
“Most of his tweets are made from a friend (not me) but they are accurate. Jeff told me about the Maddon call himself, he expressed interest.”
So this is what leads me to believe that someone (Keppinger, the Rays, his agent?) put the account to rest.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
nice sleuthing
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
And one more tweet.
“@RaysDigest @draysbay the account was started in the offseason with pressure from friends. He’s not a social media guy.”
Maybe he just decided that his friends were being to careless…that’s a possibility too.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
I dunno about forums but I remember reading an article from either here or that other site...
that they do indeed read twitter..so who knows, maybe he did get in trouble.
mrTr0ut - January 25, 2012
I put up a fanpost that had "dick jokes" in the title and I know for 100% fact that $tu read it.
PriceMultiCyYoungs - January 26, 2012
I think mr maniac just offed Jeff Keppinger
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
**looks left, looks right**
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Perfect fit for the Rays bench.
A lefty masher with positional flexibility. Seems like a no-brainer after Pena/Scott.
I’m in. I like it.
Vin - January 25, 2012
#joedillon'd
Dbullsfan - January 25, 2012 via mobile
I liked the Joe Dillon signing.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
They traded Adam Kennedy for Joe Dilly
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
And Adam Kennedy got us valuable cash . . .
Whelk - January 25, 2012
Inglett brought the cash, Kennedy brought Dillon
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
Not even close.
Vin - January 25, 2012
A lefty masher with positional flexibility.
Last three years splits against lefties of .302/.345/.453/.798 does not make for a masher.
Defensive flexibility?…meaning he can play several spots and none of them well?
budman3 - January 25, 2012
We have a good track record on getting returns from our FA lefty mashers
Warde - January 25, 2012
Gabe Kapler!
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Kelly Shoppach
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
Pat Burrell!
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
When we're talking about the bench and platoons, we should be regressing our projected splits.
I just shared a tool to do that through a fan post. Feel free to use it. The research is from The Book, and I made it off the description from Another Cubs Blog, so very little of the credit is mine.
http://www.draysbay.com/2012/1/25/2735217/regressed-platoon-splits-calculator
Whelk - January 25, 2012
I get a .308 overall projection using Zips
Due to the relative small amount of PAs against lefties I’m getting that he doesn’t have a platoon split despite having a .368ish wOBA against lefties and .297 against righties. I’m getting expected values of .308 against lefties and .307 against righties. That seems a bit crazy, but again, what he’s done so far against lefties needs to be heavily regressed. I’m curious what you’re getting.
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Yeah, you've got .350 and .310ish which sounds more correct even though we have equal split values I'm wondering where my mistake is
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
For Keppinger?
I used the .318 Bill James projection, and came out with a .351/.304 split. One of us made an error. Let me check what I got for some other players against what you wrote in your piece to see if it’s systematic, or just on Keppinger. Did you use Zips for all of them?
Whelk - January 25, 2012
I also have a much more smoothed split for Rodriguez so I think there's something wrong with my RHH tab
Lefties are coming out similarly
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Caught it, your stuff is fine, thanks for putting it together
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
So if Keppy is expected to wOBA at .308 (Zips) then you'd expect .330 vLHP and .299 vRHP
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Cool. Thanks. Glad it was on your end.
I’ve had a few and it took me until right now to manage to input the data for Longo, so if the mistake was mine, I wasn’t going to find it any time soon.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
Only really had an effect on the huge split guys or guys with very few plate appearances, I'm glad I caught it instead of ignorantly proceeding as is
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Since we're just throwing money around now...
let’s just go and be a mystery team and bring in Cespedes!
Snarfalicious - January 25, 2012
Bam! I can't remember I didn't remember this.
His friend @MattBankston sent me a bunch of tweets last week and told me:
“And that he would be a situational hitter for the rays. Jeff is originally from Miami and with his location in ga, tb would be a good fit.”
So if this in fact true…then this clears up the mystery as to why he was signed.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
Location of Georgia is the new market inefficiency
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
hmm
Didn’t know he was Russian
joaker5 - January 26, 2012
He really misses St. Petersburg
benderbrodriguez - January 26, 2012
I see Lidge, AArdsma and Baez are still out there--what up?
sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
The first two are intriguing
Baez looks beyond done though
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Done deal--per Crasnick
eff Keppinger has agreed on a one-year big league deal with #Rays, pending a physical, says a source.
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sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
Now Friedman can focus on trading Niemann/Davis.
EminenceFront - January 25, 2012
I'm sure he's been putting in the OT just to sign Jeff Keppinger, coveted free agent
Let the man have a day off
Barnacles - January 25, 2012
BJ to Nationals Trade?
I have read some comments in prior articles that doubt Washington is a match after the Gio trade, but the Nats have shown obvious public interest in BJ.
Michael Morse for BJ straight up?
I have never seen Morse play, yet his 2011 season numbers were good.
Two cheap years left on his contract, 1st base/left field power bat.
Chris Marrero could be a piece too.
I just don’t see the Rays spending over 60 million this year.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
BJ isn't going anywhere especially to the Nats
and besides Morse just signed an extension
and why can’t the payroll go north of $60 when Silverman just the other day explained how and why it would
sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
It seems high considering the rhetoric of recent years.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
one
DavidW. - January 25, 2012
They have shown the willingness to increase payroll for short-term gain while sacrificing long-term finances.
EminenceFront - January 25, 2012
teams don't project budgets yearly but more on a three year average and when
the Rays cut it so low last year $40mil, it allowed for a good uptick this year
sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
the Nats have money to burn with no Prince Fielder
and they are in need of a CF badly…i could see a potential trade. Maybe Meyer, Hood/Goodwin, and Marrero…just a thought.
James Westfall - January 25, 2012
Due to the Nats public interest
I just see the Nats wanting BJ before free agency.
If they did trade for Beej, I see them locking him up prior to 2012 season.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Personally, I want BJ to stay...
..but his salary is high(compared to most of the roster) and it is his last season.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Normally I'd agree with you but given that AF traded Matt Garza... well the situation isn't all that different with Beej, except that Beej is closer to free agency and would therefore probably net a smaller return
So it’s actually a fairly different situation now that I think about it
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Draft Pick adds credence to your comment
Yet, I could see the Nats overpaying for 1 year of BJ now that Fielder got away.
They could lock BJ and Zimmerman up prior to the season.
Werth/BJ/Harper is not bad.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
What do they have that we would want that they would give, short of Rendon (who can't even be traded for a few months anyways)?
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
They got relievers, dawg
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
lol
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
What about Morse?
I am not sure either side would agree to that.
Hypothetically, Morse could play Left and 1st for the Rays.
Nats put Werth in Left. Harper in Right and BJ in Center.
Morse could replicate BJ’s power?
Like I said before, I know nothing about Morse except his 2011 numbers…
…which are impressive.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Cheap for 2012 and 2013 too.
Chris Marrero could be a piece too.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Davis' salary alone will not lower payroll enough; in my opinion
I am more suspicious of a BJ trade after recent moves.
Obviously I know little about what they will do.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
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Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
careful, we don't want to have to start another #FreeSandy campaign
tho I am giving it a rec anyway
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
I'm not going to walk on eggshells when I see a great set up. If I'm banned for good comedic timing then perhaps it says more about the Hangman
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
when we lose the ability to bring a little levity it becomes too much like work
sternfan1 - January 25, 2012
+1
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Well stated, old man
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Banning for that would be silly
I have been banned a few times under other names dating back to 2008.
Some were justified, others were a bit strange.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
It's only been two days, but kudos to SS and Pals on the new new vision
I haven’t read everything posted, but it doesn’t seem like anybody has been grating on another and I’ve had some good genuine laughs that I don’t think anybody would get too uptight about.
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Indeed
It’s been a while since I enjoyed DRB this much. Not sure how long the (second) honeymoon will last, but I’m encouraged.
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
I enjoy the nasty back and forth
…but having a positive discourse is better for the site itself.
I am not getting banned anymore.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
It gets old pretty quick, it's nice filler during the dull days as long as people realize that it's just BS guytalk, but some people get sensitive about that
There isn’t really a place for it on a baseball blog
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
While we're all giving each other bro hugs...
I apologize for being a dick to some of the ottotd guys yesterday.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
b&
we don’t give hugs, we give reach-arounds
Jason Collette - January 25, 2012
I think I'll pass on the reach-around.
but it’s good to know that they are available here should I require one.
John Gregg - January 25, 2012
Apology? You made their day!
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
You don't have to apologize to me, I told you what to expect and not to take it personally. New writers always get their balls busted. Those with mettle stick around.
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
How many more Kotch HR before I get your $10?
6? 4? I’ve wiped Kotch clean from my memory now that Pena is back, and I don’t even remember how many HR he hit.
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
He had 10 last year, did I bet that Sonnanstine would have more or some such?
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
You bet he would not have 15 more CAREER HR
This was during ST last season. 5 to go!
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
He's about to get Dye'd so thanks for reminding me of this
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I'm really curious to see if he gets a starting job
Odds are he doesn’t, at this point
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Here it is.
He’s got plenty of time to hit the next 5. This is a bet I can’t lose!
This whole thread is an awesome Kotch hatefest, btw (and DanJo lovefest):http://www.draysbay.com/2011/3/19/2060594/wade-davis-has-a-bad-day-rays-lose-to-twins-9-2
A good read for any new members who think the regs are almighty haha It was one of my first feats of strength as a new member haha
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
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Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
Emphasis mine
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I'm not sure when I began tearing into him for it, but it's seriously been going too damn long
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Just don't let it progress into PTSD
Jason Collette - January 25, 2012
You should apologize to actual tough guys
for being an internet tough guy.
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
Unknown Insider right here
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
preachITbrotha
FreeZorilla - January 25, 2012
I'm pretty sure mr maniac called someone retarded earlier, too.
This was at least mild and funny.
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
who doesnt like a good retard joke?
classic.
James Westfall - January 26, 2012
Okay.
Thank you.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Play nicely
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Morse is worth way more than BJ
this trade will never happen
Moorewinsplease - January 25, 2012
I am just throwing it out there
Davis/Niemann might be of interest to the Nats as well.
I am just pondering Upton being dealt, since the payroll is higher than expected.
It would not shock me to see Upton dealt in a package with a Niemann/Davis and the Nats have shown very public interest in Beej; along with the BJ being from the area/Zimmerman connection.
Upton’s value is huge; he will get paid after this season.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
how do you figure?
rglass44 - January 26, 2012
Keppinger is a contact guy
As it was stated in earlier comments, that compliments the current offensive makeup.
Friedman did say he would find “complimentary” bats.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
So there's a new worst player on the team?
GO RAYS!
SandalsNoPants - January 25, 2012
lol
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Ha
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I lol'd
nomoredevil - January 25, 2012
Rodney?
Tonage - January 25, 2012
This website is hilarious
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
OT: Wilin Rosario for Davis or Niemann, who hangs up first?
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Nvm I misread his triple slash he sucks
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Barry Bondsian .284/.457/.741 huh?
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
lol
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Rays.
I own him in Ottoneu, and have been trying to trade him for a year, with no success. If you were in my league I might have been able to work something.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
You know who's probably going to be available via trade sooner or later? CJ Cron. That guy is 19230324x blocked
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
you guys got jobbed
Andruw Jones signed with us for 2 mil, and 1.5 mil last year. He put up a .950 OPS vs lefties last year and a .920 the yr before that. Like I said in the other Keppinger-hate thread, you guys have gotten too used to crappy offense.
XrayYankeeZulu - January 25, 2012
We all agree for the most part
Although you ought to consider the park factors, and the fact that Andruw probably could’ve gotten more money elsewhere
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Andruw Jones is an athlete. Jeff Keppinger is gritty. It'd difficult to compare the two straight up.
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
This is awful
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
I meant it's not "it'd" if that helps
Sandy Kazmir - January 25, 2012
I didn't even notice
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
That's how Joey got started, no one bothering to notice
Ben Tumbling - January 25, 2012
I've been on his ass since (almost) day one
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
Lueke'd
raysfaninminnesota - January 25, 2012
Jones would have been nice...
…but he likely just wanted to stay with the Yankees.
I doubt he ever tried to seriously search the market.
Tonage - January 25, 2012
Funny that a Yankee fan is only a member of a Rays blog....
mr. maniac - January 25, 2012
Come up with another cheap lefty masher after Jones.
I’d love him, but you don’t get hall-of-famers on your bench very often.
Whelk - January 25, 2012
Rays are always depth champs
This is how they survive the 162 game season. This is why Guyer will start in AAA instead of the majors. He is more valuable to them as the insurance OF than PT duty here. He can get every day ABs in Durham so he can step right in here if/when needed.
As far as defense is concerned, sometimes the Rays are willing to sacrifice there if they feel they get enough in return in other areas. Or has everyone already forgotten that Damon was signed to be the starting LF???
Rays have insurance policies in the bullpen, INF, OF, SP. No other team has this type of depth. And it’s a big reason why the Rays will be contenders again this season.
raysfaninminnesota - January 25, 2012
+1
benderbrodriguez - January 25, 2012
I still hold out hope for a Allen Craig trade
with the Beltran signing, there’s no full-time opening for Craig. Jon Jay was worth nearly 3 WAR last year, while playing CF after the Rasmus trade. If the Cards are truly interested in replacing Edwin Jackson and don’t win out on Roy Oswalt (or resigning Jackson), then maybe a Niemann/Davis for Craig swap might still be a possibility in ST, as long as Craig’s knee checks out.
raysfaninminnesota - January 25, 2012
Without a BJ trade
How does Craig fit into the Rays roster?
Tonage - January 25, 2012
could be domino effect leading to a Upton trade
or use him all over, getting ABs in LF/RF/1B/DH. And with him easing back in after knee surgery (not realistically ready until May) this might be the perfect way to use him in the first year. And he still could easily get 300-400 AB as a backup, with Maddon’s penchant for resting players. With Upton and Pena only signed for this year, Craig’s greater value would be moving forward.
raysfaninminnesota - January 26, 2012
Did not know he was injured
Which seems to be a negative in trading for him now; or a good time if you believe his value is lowered somewhat because of his knee.
Curious about what will happen in regards to potential trades.
Baseball needs to hurry up and start.
Tonage - January 26, 2012
The best thing the Rays can do is get maximum return for whatever SP they trade, even if it doesn't fill an immediate need
Having too many good players is not a bad problem to have.
raysfaninminnesota - January 26, 2012
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